The bot that removes it from the PR page appears to be down, but I believe I can manually complete the bot steps. "9 passengers in satisfactory condition at American British Cowdray Hospital", what do you mean by satisfactory? Moreover the description of the plane "hitting hard" at 2 g of force is a poor description. The pilot knew they were at 23L or in his words "the approach to the goddamn left". The widely recognized, deeply systemic problems of control by market forces means any article is going to be edited to surrender to those market forces. Here's an author who unconvincingly defines ALPA's purpose. Unknown Teresa Sugano Haley 26 Jan 1953 â 31 Oct 1979. Excerpt from Section 1.8.2 from the ICAO Circular 173-AN/109: "It was established that the high-intensity runway lights, the approach lights, and the VASIS of the runway closed to traffic (23 Left) were inoperative...all the lights for the runway in use (23 Right) were operating.". Western Airlines Flight 2605, nicknamed the Night Owl, was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles, California, to Mexico City, Mexico. The article clearly isn't a stub anymore and needs reassessment at the very least. talked with him just six days before his fatal accident. I don't know how this can be verified but perhaps it is correct. Due to professional circumstances I happened to develop a private interest in aviation investigations. - paragraph added at 20:21 + amended at 20:23, 19 December 2019 (unsigned contributions) by 173.120.214.74, - section created at 15:12, 22 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.214.124. Details of its findings are published in ICAO circular 173-AN/109.The probable cause of the accident was determined to be "Non-compliance with the meteorological minima for the approach procedure, as cleared; failure to comply with the aircraft's operating procedures during the approach phase, and landing on a runway closed to traffic." As a consequence, they will not be dealt with; they Well, yeah, but what if they thought the runway they had visual contact with was the correct runway, 23R? After the aircraft initially touched down, it continued along the ground Ironically the article is surrounded by more pages of advertisements than its total page count. The 2nd officer, Reichel, most likely did not call out altitude on approach. They had "stayed on the correct flight path to Runway 23 Right for most of the time between the outer marker "Metro Eco" and [the] Airport, and only deviated to the runway closed to traffic (23 Left) when at a height of (600 feet) above the ground during .. final approach": it looks as if they were intending to maintain a lateral separation from the ILS path (to 23L) so as to keep them in line to come straight in to 23R. The highly respected Safety Pilot guided his jumbo jet for the final approach into Benito Juarez International Airport at Mexico City, a facility he had successfully landed 351 previous times. The article should probably explain this for the general reader; I have absolutely no idea what any of it means. Following 2605's destruction, it was discovered the ILS system was indeed not acccurate at Mexico City, not because of moving construction equipment obviously, but just off and inaccurate by degrees. Western Airlines Flight 2605, nicknamed the "Night Owl", was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles, California, to Mexico City, Mexico. The system was apparently adjusted soon after with help from US authorities, this around the same time the US assisted with producing explicit instructions on the "side step" manouver for Mexico presumably so pilot error won't cause another accident but also (less cynically stated) to make airtravel safer - will need to find sources for this. Whether the motivation is morbid curiosity or not I think it is worthwhile. Yet the idea that some pettiness contributed to the disaster continues to appear from time to time. Reichel was described as tired or unfit and he said so at one point in the cockpit. Details of its findings are published in ICAO circular 173-AN/109.The probable cause of the accident was determined to be "Non-compliance with the meteorological minima for the approach procedure, as cleared; failure to comply with the aircraft's operating procedures during the approach phase, and landing on a runway closed to traffic." A July 19th, 1989 United DC-10 crash was caused by an engine failure which damaged the hydraulic system and reduced control to a point that the pilots could utilize only engine power to prepare the aircraft for an emergency landing. This would certainly result in limited to no control over the aircraft. All of them involved pilot fatigue, either from That could potentially be put together. - paragraph amended at 21:05, 30 December by 173.120.131.243 and 00:00, 31 December 2019 by 173.120.182.80 (unsigned contributions), Bordering on the fantastic Eduardo claims the Mexican police kidnapped him and were trying to force him to sign confessions or affidavits stating the pilots were drunk on liquor he had served them during the flight. (Did they know where they were more specifically?) . It maybe close to GAN article status. The CVR has no indication of strong disagreement. All 156 people on board were killed. Include these with the other problems he would -> Cockpit voice recording audio of the last seconds of the flight indicated that the first officer and captain were aware that they were cleared to land on runway 23R, and not the one they were still on approach to. Untitled 'Your other left stupid.' - para break moved by 173.120.246.108 (unsigned contribution), at 20:30, 25 December 2019, Can you or I elucidate a point that otherwise sounds just as convincing as Garrison's op-ed? - paragraph added (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.214.74 at 20:21, 19 December 2019, We can surmise (?) He expressed serious concern about the approach to the air – SquisherDa (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC), - section heading inserted (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.15.41 at 00:53, 1 December 2019, "the flight touched down hard on the unpaved left shoulder of Runway 23L with more than 2 g of force, at 130 knots of speed." - the eternal DI, Western was founded by a guy who flew for the RAF in WWI. About 0541 Mexican Central Time Western Airlines DC-10 Flight 2605 was making an approach to the airport in reported VFR conditions when it touched down on the dirt on the left of the edge of Runway 23 Left, which was closed to traffic. One wing clearly had more lift than the other. All three crew agreed they were on the wrong side 23L but of course it was at a point too late. No grave photo. The sound and tone of his exclamation is one of complete shock. Forest Lawn Memorial Park. The aircraft speed decreased from 136 knots to 128 knots. He What else would A further i⦠- paragraph added (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.214.74 at 20:21, 19 December 2019, 20 minutes before the accident a 727 from Mexicana airlines landed normally on 23R using the "same procedure which the Western aircraft was instructed to follow". Subtopic 1 Subtopic 2 Subtopic 1 Third disasters had to occur and that all of the investigations lack So the Government was clearly crashing its own credibility by the 1980s. Western Airlines Flight 2605, nicknamed the "Night Owl", was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles, California, to Mexico City, Mexico.On October 31, 1979, at 5:42 a.m. CST (UTCâ06:00), the aircraft used for the flight, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10, crashed at Mexico City International Airport in fog, after landing on a runway closed for maintenance. The ICAO circular makes no mention of this, presumably because it wasn't determined to be a contributing factor. Here are some ideas: - paragraph added at 20:21 + amended at 20:22, 19 December 2019 (unsigned contributions) by 173.120.214.74, Lay readers still have no idea what a "more than 2g force landing" means. The violent crashing is clearly heard. Key details are the same: 23L was closed, 23R was the open runway with a NOTAM many days before. Was this because of an error in the initial accounting, or because one person later died of their injuries? A further i⦠9 seconds later the CVR ends, or at least what is available on youtube ends. A few years later the public would be told an Air Florida 737 that crashed into a DC bridge was mostly because the pilots weren't from "the North". This accident, incidentally, occured 18 years after the crash of 2605 which investigators also pointed out altitude callouts, and fatigue. Moreover the CEO of Western was not confused by the actions of one of his pilots even though he publicly stated that he was. ", "The first officer didn't do his job and the Captain didn't make him", "ALPA's reasoning seems to be that a certain sloppiness is inevitable in airline crews flying late-night flights. them replaced. At that point, the right main gear lifted off the Aircraft Maintenance & Avionics. You later mention in the article that up to three people on the ground may have died. - paragraph amended at 00:00, 31 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.182.80, He has expressed considerable accusatory disdain for the Mexican authorities and their airport and believes that their share of blame for the disaster has never been properly acknowledged. will not be used to prevent other accidents. Question is misinformed. with them. The inducement of the Please let me know your intentions. Accident WesternAirlines Flight 2605 N903WA - Aviation website for aircraft and airline information (flight, photo, travel, fleet listing, production list of Airbus Boeing Douglas Embraer Dash, ATR, Sukhoi, Saab...), plane photos, flightlog database, aviation news, civil aviation forum, aviation store. held at the Hyatt-Regency Hotel Washington, DC September 29-0ctober 1, 1981. On top of all this, the I don't know what the comment above means when it says the CVR contained "the required information." Maybe if the pilot saw obstructions ahead. Western Airlines Flight 2605, nicknamed the "Night Owl", was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles, California, to Mexico City, Mexico. The tower tapes to this day have never been released. 'Your other left stupid.' sition to the parallel operating runway at an airport with a -> plus at least one person on the ground, died. ", - section created at 20:44, 30 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.131.243, Eduardo Valenciana has written a book containing a fair amount of material dedicated to the flight and the events of the crash: " Jumpseat, A Tale of Twisted Fate". Western Airlines Flight 2605 was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles, California, to Mexico City, Mexico. The CVR has been widely available for years. (The paper is easy to source online). Try to avoid putting little things into brackets, like (still), avoid brackets in the body of the article as much as possible except for things like explaining acronyms, sort of like you did with instrument landing systems (ILS), that's generally the only good reason to put things in brackets. as the cause of each accident. Was it likely that they didn't have the resources to take safety in to account? The DC-10 included no cable backup for the hydraulic-powered flight controls because it was considered nearly impossible for three hydraulic systems to fail during one flight. The May 25, 1979 American Airlines DC-10 crash involved the separation of the left engine from the left wing and the shredding of hydraulic lines with it. I could understand if the airport was one of the "London" Airports which aren't actually in London, but as it is it reads oddly. Weather conditions were deteriorating during Flight 2605's instrument approach. This is all over youtube for example in a number of videos. (But the pilots did anyway, probably as they did far more often that didn't end in some kind of horrific hull loss, and perhaps as Gilbert was doing in '79. ) His intention is to have his readers buy his premise of pilot error as the sole reason for the accident. -> The captain further stated that they were still in fact or in fact, still, on the approach to 23L. that he owned a T-6 and flew for fun, made such a mistake? Perhaps they were sloppily dressed? Pilot Gilbert got on the power (100%) before the impact with the truck and after Reichel calmly called to go around after everyone agreed they were at 23L. - section created at 20:35, 1 January 2020 (unsigned contribution) by 73.61.9.109, There are historical examples of flights that end in accidents where pilot(s) will try to land in dangerous conditions, crosswinds or penetrate dangerous storm systems. As many as thirty people in all were injured by flying debris, including airport ground personnel and local residents. or profound horror - perhaps with a terrible awareness of the fate of the plane. perhaps stable, seems less dehumanizing. Otherwise his assertions aren't serious. Interestingly Gilbert had specified he didn't want to fly with Reichel and Walsh but was apparently told to fly with them anyway for one last time which of course turned out to be the last time he would ever fly. His flight manager had promised to
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